tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6115345479350954256.post7749403528181879499..comments2023-10-14T15:52:29.871+01:00Comments on Tango commuter: Andreas Wichter at CarablancaTangocommuterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14060601718946750364noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6115345479350954256.post-31983460392285425512010-04-22T18:46:46.219+01:002010-04-22T18:46:46.219+01:00> He said that technically Gavito
> wasn'...> He said that technically Gavito<br />> wasn't a good teacher [ed. I've <br />> misrepresented his remark: please <br />> see the Comments for a <br />> clarification by Andreas], but he <br />> was an inspiring one<br /><br />Gavito himself said "I am here not to teach you but to inspire you."Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08546555586986008873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6115345479350954256.post-78012381220121548112009-08-30T17:16:56.869+01:002009-08-30T17:16:56.869+01:00@last Anon, I agree it was frustrating not to be a...@last Anon, I agree it was frustrating not to be able to go on from where we'd left off in part 1 because of nearly half the class not having been to part 1 - and the part 2 material did build on and require part 1. I think you're right that that's a problem of the pre-milonga format. Have a look at Game Cat's comment on the next post; I think there might be a few people up for a pre-booked 'workshop' or something next time AW is passing through the smoke, I certainly would be, and it's probably not too hard to organise if there are enough, so do keep an eye out if you would be. It gets around the drop-in problem.msHedgehoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05719152265628932122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6115345479350954256.post-19322625486735531832009-08-29T22:41:33.441+01:002009-08-29T22:41:33.441+01:00this friday wasn't so great - doesn't anyo...this friday wasn't so great - doesn't anyone else think so? there was less connection between the teacher and the students, and we spent most of the class rushing through the previous part 1 - never did get round to part 2.<br /><br />someone else said they don't like pre-milonga classes, i see why.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6115345479350954256.post-32202127583418719032009-08-27T15:56:21.562+01:002009-08-27T15:56:21.562+01:00I liked the talk/dance ratio last week. I've n...I liked the talk/dance ratio last week. I've never felt so satisfied at the end of a pre-milonga class. And it set such a beautiful tone for the rest of the evening.<br /><br />There are enough opportunities throughout the week to attend classes where it is 'try this, change partner, try again, change partner, now try this...' It's not often we get to hear tango being spoken about by someone so well informed.<br /><br />To be honest I wouldn't mind if Andreas talked for the entire hour.<br /><br />Looking forward to tomorrow!Boettichernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6115345479350954256.post-64543563984035247512009-08-27T01:44:27.688+01:002009-08-27T01:44:27.688+01:00@Snow Leopard: Message received, and I promise the...@Snow Leopard: Message received, and I promise the ratio will be much different this Friday. Thanks for coming back!Andreashttp://www.tangokombinat.de/uk_news.htmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6115345479350954256.post-14773147162009239072009-08-26T23:14:03.727+01:002009-08-26T23:14:03.727+01:00Andreas, What you said last Friday at Carablanca w...Andreas, What you said last Friday at Carablanca was very interesting. My brain enjoyed listening to you. And my brain knows that what you said is right and it's the way I want to dance. <br />But for my body to understand, it needs to spend more time in class doing rather than standing listening. For some of us, maybe less cerebral types, more exercises might be better than more information.<br />In any case, I'll be back for your second class this Friday.Snow Leopardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6115345479350954256.post-63039614121717758782009-08-25T11:23:41.732+01:002009-08-25T11:23:41.732+01:00@TC: Don't worry about it, I just wanted to cl...@TC: Don't worry about it, I just wanted to clarify in case people with torches and pitchforks turn up at my door...<br />And re talking: I could probably talk for three hours straight without repeating myself and it would all be stuff I felt people would really need to know. I usually try to insert nuggets of talk at key points. Sometimes those nuggets get a bit fat, though. ;-)<br />I've seen the "Try that" approach. Got the t-shirt.<br />People need to *understand* what they are doing, then they can figure things out for themselves, which ultimately *must* happen in order to own the thing.<br />@MsH: I always enjoy learning new words. "woo-woo", he he.<br />@GameCat: Ok, remind me on Friday.Andreashttp://www.tangokombinat.de/uk_concept.htmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6115345479350954256.post-53739082059173672762009-08-25T09:48:40.538+01:002009-08-25T09:48:40.538+01:00Andreas:
Re the "triangle" vs. "ch...Andreas:<br /><br />Re the "triangle" vs. "chest to chest" ways of connecting (Anon #2's words, not mine - they both have chest contact imo), if you have the time next Fri, could you explain more about how it works?<br /><br />The triangle/V is getting more common in milongas.<br /><br />What I find challenging about it is the increased asymmetry...e.g. it can be tougher to giro to man's left.<br /><br />Thanks!Game Cathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01195479103119853847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6115345479350954256.post-28308411936366344862009-08-25T00:00:36.721+01:002009-08-25T00:00:36.721+01:00My apologies to Andreas, and to the memory of Gavi...My apologies to Andreas, and to the memory of Gavito, for mis-representing his remarks, and many thanks for the clarification.Tangocommuterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14060601718946750364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6115345479350954256.post-3426056710551864492009-08-24T23:26:32.371+01:002009-08-24T23:26:32.371+01:00@Anonymous#2:
"I danced with her and she mai...@Anonymous#2:<br /><br />"I danced with her and she maintains an angle to to (triangle, rather than chest to chest)."<br />-Did you come to the lesson? Because we spoke about this and I had hoped to have cleared up any misunderstandings about this.<br /><br />"This contradicts the use of rotation to effect weight changes"<br />No it doesn't. It is just as valid for the embrace as a "full frontal parrallel" and generally works as well. The weight changes work just as easily. Both positions have their advantages and disadvantages, and their place.<br /><br />"- plus its bad for your back if you're a follower walking along the leaders line of dance."<br />No it isn't, provided you have a straight axis and know how to dissociate properly. And the dissociation can be done in equal measure by both partners.<br />If you come to the class on Friday, I'll be happy to discuss the issue.Andreashttp://www.tangokombinat.de/uk_news.htmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6115345479350954256.post-80655505967052650612009-08-24T23:14:01.045+01:002009-08-24T23:14:01.045+01:00@AW, well, you had to introduce yourself ;)
@Anon...@AW, well, you had to introduce yourself ;)<br /><br />@Anon - I quite agree - heart, without the woo-woo.<br /><br />I appreciated being spoken to about what the woman's responsibilities actually are, in a positive rather than negative sense (and I don't mean ornaments).msHedgehoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05719152265628932122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6115345479350954256.post-12818322514887042672009-08-24T22:50:57.526+01:002009-08-24T22:50:57.526+01:00I was puzzled by that evening. Andreas seems to da...I was puzzled by that evening. Andreas seems to dance in a very controlled, contained way. His partner dances in a more fluid bendy nuevo way.<br /><br />I danced with her and she maintains an angle to to (triangle, rather than chest to chest). This contradicts the use of rotation to effect weight changes - plus its bad for your back if you're a follower walking along the leaders line of dance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6115345479350954256.post-83243703350831042452009-08-24T20:35:31.617+01:002009-08-24T20:35:31.617+01:00@Andreas, I just said you talk more than most teac...@Andreas, I just said you talk more than most teachers, but then most teachers demonstrate something complicated and say 'Try that!' (I'm exaggerating, just a bit...) <br /><br />I'm fascinated that your contact with Gavito was so brief and so impressive, having been impressed by a brief encounter myself. Sometimes it just makes sense. <br /><br />Afraid I can't be there next Friday so if any kind person could make a few notes and post them somewhere I'd really be grateful.Tangocommuterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14060601718946750364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6115345479350954256.post-30423708210086669462009-08-24T20:04:13.147+01:002009-08-24T20:04:13.147+01:00@Anonymous: Actually I said "try dancing 90% ...@Anonymous: Actually I said "try dancing 90% with weight changes, do the remaining 10% with walking". At least, that was what I meant, for the purposes of the exercise.<br />Regarding next Friday, fear not. Everything will be as easy as I can make it, that's pretty much the point.Andreashttp://www.tangokombinat.de/uk_concept.htmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6115345479350954256.post-64495168456830789952009-08-24T19:58:58.178+01:002009-08-24T19:58:58.178+01:00@TC: Do I really talk that much? ;-) Guess I somet...@TC: Do I really talk that much? ;-) Guess I sometimes do, though I like to think I talk as much as is necessary. Next Friday will see priorities changed, I think, as I've already said the most important things. Let's see.<br />But then again, people need to understand what they do and why, and how it works. So explaining how simple it really is helps a lot. That means, however, that you have to actually practice at home. As always.<br /><br />As for Gavito, my contact with him was confined to one weekend. But that weekend saw me changed overnight as was confirmed when one of my first teachers saw me dance upon my return and wondered who I was...<br />As for his teaching, I can see myself getting crucified for what I said. Just to set the record straight here: his methodology was hardly discernible, but he was nonetheless enormously effective, for me at least.<br />Thanks for the nice review. See ya Friday.Andreashttp://www.tangokombinat.de/uk_news.htmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6115345479350954256.post-70394361236706489922009-08-23T23:37:31.114+01:002009-08-23T23:37:31.114+01:00Carablanca is getting better and better.Carablanca is getting better and better.Charles Taylornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6115345479350954256.post-7478797198869171172009-08-23T23:36:15.969+01:002009-08-23T23:36:15.969+01:00I usually ignore the pre-milonga classes - they ar...I usually ignore the pre-milonga classes - they are usually not worth it for me.<br /><br />I made an exception for this one. Andreas has the right ideas and articulates them very well. What he said in one hour .. took me months to glean from my current favourite teachers. He said new things too which gave me "lightbulb" moments.<br /><br />I loved it when he said "try dancing 90% walking and weight changes". <br /><br />There's a risk that teachers go on and on about the ethereal philosophy and soul of tango but he had just the right amount and all of it was to help you dance - pride, dignity, celebrating difference between man and woman ... <br /><br />The shoulders thing - it was a revelation to me that this "dissociated walk" that all beginners are told to do actually is useful .. if you walk like that and lead your follower to walk like that then you can change weight - in double time even - with ease and elegance .. without having to shove your follower from left to right .. it becomes a rotational movement and not a push-n-shove. Try it - on the spot changing your partners weight with just your rotation. For me it unlocked a new way of walking .. thanks to Stefano and Alexandra .. and confirmed by Andreas. As a bonus its how we all walk naturally anyway - its not a robot walk that some teachers have tried to mould me to do.<br /><br />Looking forward to next Friday - with trepidation - as I believe he is covering the giro which, with the cross, is immensely hard!<br /><br />By the way - why do people ignore a teacher's advice once the milonga proper has started .. beats me?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com