tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6115345479350954256.post2340088506186729883..comments2023-10-14T15:52:29.871+01:00Comments on Tango commuter: A tango event 2Tangocommuterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14060601718946750364noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6115345479350954256.post-56936481231690904102011-04-02T20:51:14.782+01:002011-04-02T20:51:14.782+01:00Lucky you! Have a great time there!Lucky you! Have a great time there!Tangocommuterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14060601718946750364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6115345479350954256.post-3836789711871489342011-04-01T16:40:06.160+01:002011-04-01T16:40:06.160+01:00Dear Tangocommuter,
Thanks for the prize and we a...Dear Tangocommuter,<br /><br />Thanks for the prize and we are happy to say we already had the pleasure of using it! We just arrived in Buenos Aires and not only did we get big hugs from all the friends we met in the first milonga we went to (Salon Sur), we also got hugs from our favourite waiter at La Madeleine and the Shoe Shine guy on the corner, of Callao and Santa Fe!<br /><br />Irene and Man YungIrene and Man Yunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06902209997189563931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6115345479350954256.post-43717923511988313162011-04-01T02:16:30.018+01:002011-04-01T02:16:30.018+01:00You don't have to look any further than milong...You don't have to look any further than milongueros like Pedro Sanchez or Miguel Angel Balbi for the answers. They can speak from personal experience in the confiterias.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6115345479350954256.post-40981959147256478072011-03-31T23:09:08.870+01:002011-03-31T23:09:08.870+01:00Um, if you go around any milonga asking which came...Um, if you go around any milonga asking which came first, milonguero or nuevo, I think most people will say milonguero. That's what I mean by the assumption that 'milonguero' is the old style.<br /><br />But I'm wondering if that's true. The clip shows José Méndez, a famous dancer of the 1930s who went head-to-head with El Cachafaz many times, and eventually defeated him. No, this certainly isn't social tango! I might call it anti-social tango! It's 'fantasia', it's the tradition that was later called 'nuevo', it's old tango!<br /><br />I'm still wondering about the women who went to milongas and danced close embrace. I wonder if by the late 1930s there weren't enough women who were socially and financially independent, who went out dancing with whom they pleased, without their mothers' consent, and who perhaps didn't want to be thrown around all evening by dancers like Méndez and the Club Nelson group, who wanted to be treated gently and with courtesy. I wonder if milonguero didn't arise as a reaction against the old tradition of fantasia, and also against the orillero of the barrios. <br /><br />I put these questions in the hope that someone who has some knowledge of 20th century Argentine social history, and of social dancing, will come up with some answers.Tangocommuterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14060601718946750364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6115345479350954256.post-47782137968833507682011-03-30T15:08:02.321+01:002011-03-30T15:08:02.321+01:00"There's a kind of assumption that 'm..."<i>There's a kind of assumption that 'milonguero' is the old style ... but this doesn't seem to be the truth.</i>"<br /><br />I see no evidence for that in your article or elsewhere, TC.<br /><br />"<i>I found this clip ... This is the kind of tango that was danced in the 1930s; this is old tango!</i>"<br /><br />It's a show. To conclude from that anything about social tango of the same time is I think unwise.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08546555586986008873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6115345479350954256.post-37175040849296762282011-03-30T09:50:54.067+01:002011-03-30T09:50:54.067+01:00Thanks, gyb, but you slightly misunderstood my poi...Thanks, gyb, but you slightly misunderstood my point. I wanted to say that extravagant tango, tango as a display of skill, goes way back to the early years of the last century. José Méndez, who featured in that film scene, was one of the best at that kind of tango in that early period. This kind of dance became stage tango and nuevo. <br /><br />Dancing continuous close embrace, milonguero style, is actually a more recent development, but exactly when and where it took root isn't clear.Tangocommuterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14060601718946750364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6115345479350954256.post-77232030984124223382011-03-30T06:21:51.328+01:002011-03-30T06:21:51.328+01:00I would draw a different conclusion from the 1951 ...I would draw a different conclusion from the 1951 Derecho Viejo shot you linked. When you watch these movies you should never pay attention to the dancer who is in the focus of the camera, for he is most certainly going to be a showy-dancer hired for what he is good for, namely showing off moves visually appealing for the audience. You should rather pay attention to the dancers in the backgound, who are the unpaid locals who were happy to assist just for a scene in a movie. <br /><br />Now if you carefully observe the few seconds in the beginning of the dance you will notice that many of those in the background dance bona fide milonguero style tango. So that seems to be the/a style more ordinary folks danced around that time.gybnoreply@blogger.com